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05/20/2013

Belle

Baby is in a Frank breech position. Dr. Telemed was all set to schedule a c-section but when I started to sob said we’ll plan a ECV at 37 weeks 2 days. I asked what else I can do on my own before than and he said that there is all kinds of “stuff” on the internet, “But does it really work? No.” I asked about vaginal delivery of a breech baby and he gave me a run around and ended up with the “there are grave risks” song and dance.

I left in tears and have been hiding upstairs ever since (my mother-in-law is visiting and I know she’ll be full of well-meaning advice that only makes me increasingly more angry). I feel so helpless and grossly under-informed  I looked at spinningbabies.com but a lot of the stuff there says that things should be done before 34 weeks. I’m 34 weeks. I also need some in person guidance – not a You Tube video. I expected to get this from my practitioner. Again, I was wrong.

I know for many people a c-section is not a big deal, but it is a very big deal for me. I have a lot of other issues and my body has been through a lot of shit. While I adore Dr. Shannon, she would not be doing my c-section and I don’t have any faith what so ever in other doctors at the hospital where we have selected. C-sections come with a slew of other complications, too. I won’t get into them here because we’ve all heard the natural childbirth song and dance. Whether it is your cup of tea or not, there is no hiding from all the risks to mother and baby from a c-section.

Then there is the recovery period for a c-section. Hacked open or not, we are moving and I’m going to be in a new city, alone with a new baby with no baby experience. I will not have the assistance people who have had c-sections receive.

The icing on the cake, is that there are a few select individuals out there who have been vocal in their doubting my ability to have a baby and have a vaginal birth. They have been condescending and harsh. They have reminded me weekly to be prepared for things to fail. I can’t stomach the responses I know I’ll get from them.

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  1. May 20, 2013

    Oh belle I’m so sorry. I can’t imagine what a mess you must be. Wouldn’t it be nice if after all you went through to get this baby something just came easily? That said, I have a friend whose baby turned head down at 38 weeks. It can and does happen, here’s hoping it happens to you. Don’t bother telling those you don’t want to know until the c section is booked and guaranteed.

  2. May 20, 2013

    Belle, did you end up picking a doula? If yes, I would contact her immediately and tell her the baby is breech. I don’t know if she’ll be able to help you, but I suspect she has experience with this and may have some ideas. It’s worth a shot and certainly better than you trying to deal with this on your own.

    Hugs lady. I know how much you wanted to avoid a Cesarean.

    • May 20, 2013

      Yeah… I left a lot of details out of this post. I’m kind of a mess right now. I have an appointment with my acupuncturist tomorrow at 2. I hope I can see her as much as possible until the ECV. Can I afford it? No. But I’m desperate. Also emailed my doula and am waiting on a reply and emailed Dr. Shannon asking what input and recommendations she has. I refuse to just sit here and do nothing for three weeks, you know?

      Also, baby is measuring perfectly normal despite my cord/placenta issues so that is good. I think he said 44 or 49th percentile so it’s not too big yet to flip. And fluid looks good.

      • May 20, 2013

        I sent this to you, but will share it here also. http://rebeccabatesdoula.blogspot.com/2011/04/breech-babieshow-to-try-and-turn-baby.html

        I think doing what you can to flip Chicken is a good idea. I’m sure your acupuncturist will have some ideas and then there are the suggestions from this website. Plus I’m willing to bet that Dr. Shannon has ideas too. Also, remember that Dr. Telemed is always focusing on the worst case scenario. So focus on the fact that Chicken is breech, but it doesn’t mean that it’s too late to do anything.

        Glad to hear that Chicken is doing well otherwise. Now we begin a new chant: turn Chicken TURN!

      • Shinara #
        May 21, 2013

        Oh good grief! Your baby is fine! You should be jumping for joy that despite that crappy placenta, chicken is fine! Chicken’s the right size, heart obviously beating normally, the only thing is the booter is backwards and still has time to flip…or not. My doc told me she absolutely does not want me to have a C-section ( I have been cut open too many times for other reasons, plus, scar tissue from that and endometriosis.) I asked what happens if the shit hits the fan (I have partial placenta previa) and I do need a C-section…are you prepared for that? She said I have done it before and while its very difficult it can and will be done. The main thing for all of us is that plans go awry and you have to be prepared as best as possible for all contingencies. The best way you can be prepared, whether you have a vaginal birth or a C-section, is to have your husband home the first week or so. His work obviously knows you are about to give birth; so, I am sure that is possible. Plus, don’t guys get maternity leave, too? And I bet he really wants to help you if you let him help you. If he cannot, I would suggest one of the parents (the most helpful one, if possible.) There are also Doula’s for after a baby is born. They help out in the house, cooking, cleaning, caring for babe if you need rest, etc.

        Now is not the time to have a tantrum for things going against your hopes & wishes. You are an adult and it’s you and your husband’s job to get this baby into the world as safe as possible and to make sure you have the help before and after the fact. Do your best to get the babe to turn, but remember that you both need to find out how well experienced the docs are at the hospital you are going to with regards to this. Don’t just assume they are all asses. Also, be nice to the nurses, they’ll do anything for you if you are nice to them.

        (by the way, my last surgery was supposed to be a one day affair…I ended up going back to the emergency room two days later with complications. Stuff happens and I ended up being in the hospital for 1.5 weeks. Like I said before, plans are there to be changed.) AND be nice to the nurses!

        You are NOT a failure for bringing a healthy chicken into this world, no matter how the little one comes out.

        • May 22, 2013

          Wow, accusing Belle of throwing a tantrum is about the LEAST supportive thing I can imagine saying to her right now. There is NOTHING wrong with her having hopes and desires for how she has envisioned this birthing process unfolding. Just as people who conceive via IVF have to grieve the loss of being able to conceive at home with their partner over a bottle of wine, so do people who have to have a c-section because of a circumstance beyond their control have to grieve the loss of the birth experience they envisioned (which I’m not saying this is – I truly do think Chicken has plenty of time to hopefully turn).

          My point it that this is SO much more than the tantrum of a child, and it is very mean spirited to call it such. Get over yourself, and perhaps practice being KIND to others.

  3. May 20, 2013

    One of my twins flipped over at 36 weeks pregnant, so if she can do it, your little chicken still has a shot!

  4. stupidstork #
    May 20, 2013

    Oh dear. I can’t provide any helpful advice but I’m sorry things are going this way. 😦

  5. May 20, 2013

    I feel your pain and frustration more than ever. Me and my husband just completed our 5 week hypnobirthing class last Tuesday….went to the dr Friday and our sweet milkshake is breech. I was told not to panic, of course I did, that each baby takes its own sweet time etc. I was advised to do the polar bear pose every morning as soon as I wake up and twice throughout the day. Also, the cat pose and rocking/rolling your hips back and forth is supposed to help. Will it work? Who knows, but I am like you and REALLY want a natural birth. I would also suggest you talk to the chicken…ask he/she to move and that it would be such a easy, comfortable birth experience for him/her and mom and dad. Again, will it work??? I say it’s worth a shot. There are also some chiropractors out there (ask your hypno instructor for a referral) that are more than confident they can convince baby to flip. I know it’s tough, it’s been on my mind ever since I heard the news, but don’t forget you and the professors rights. If you have to have a c-section make sure he stays with the chicken and even ask (you may have to semi-demand) the professor gets skin to skin while they finish with you. It’s your baby, your birth, your right to have it how you want it. Good luck! I’ll be thinking about you and the chicken and I’m sending flipping juju your way.

  6. Sara #
    May 20, 2013

    Sorry things are so difficult. I am praying for you and hope the chicken flips in the next 3 weeks.

  7. Samantha w #
    May 20, 2013

    Do you have/know a chiropractor trained in the Webster technique? It made all the difference for me. You can do it. You can birth a baby through your vagina.

  8. May 20, 2013

    I’m sure you’ve already googled and read everything related to frank breech, but thought I’d share this link anyway, just in case…I read the author’s book, Pregnancy, Birth and the Newborn and really liked it….seems like sensible advice, and always leaning towards natural birth/non-interventionist approaches. And there’s still lots of time for turning! I’m 37 weeks and head down so far, but my dr reminded me at my last appointment that baby could still be obstinate and flip!

    Sending you good thoughts…

    http://www.pennysimkin.com/download/Articles-Handouts/Breech_version_-How_Doula_Helps.pdf

  9. Catie #
    May 20, 2013

    I don’t have any advice on how to get the little chicken to flip but I can tell you that my son went from head down (at 35 weeks, yay!) to butt down (at 37 weeks, c-section scheduled) to head down again at 38 weeks (the little jerk.) He was born vaginally (head first) at 38 weeks 5 days. So chicken still has plenty of “flip” time to go..have faith and try everything!!! (Can’t hurt, right?)

  10. May 20, 2013

    I don’t know nuthin’ ’bout flippin’ no babies, but your last paragraph really got my goat. You know what, Belle? Eff them. Seriously. You don’t even need to be wasting space in your mind or your heart for people who would be mean spirited or anything less than loving when it comes to you and Chicken. Poop on them. You can do this, Belle. You can bring this little lovie into the world (no matter how he/she gets here) and be a magnificent mom. Eff them.

    Hormonal rant over.

  11. May 20, 2013

    This happened to me with Matthew. I was devastated. But, I came around to the idea and all was fine.

    so the version… Everyone including docs, nurses, US techs told me not to do it. And it turned out great that we didn’t because Matthew had a VERY short cord and we could have caused serious life threatening problems by doing it. I’m not saying that chickens cord is short, but please get a few opinions before you do it. Many medical professionals, including “crunchy” ones, said that Matthew was that way for a reason. Turned out that the short cord was the reason, and also why all I felt with him were rolls and no flips and kicks.

    Everyone is different, but I walked 2 miles in 85 degree heat the day after coming home from my section. True story. Recovery from SCHEDULED sections isn’t as tough as one may think. I know you have other health issues to consider too, that I have no knowledge of, but the section alone can be very easy to recover from.

    I do hate this for you. I remember hearing that my dreams of a natural birth were out the window, and I cried and cried for days. However, given the short cord, it was the best thing we did for our baby!

    Hang in there, lady!

    • Karaleen #
      May 21, 2013

      I have to agree with all that Courtney says. My dr also refused to do the version……I agreed with him. I always felt he was In that position for a reason too…..turns out my son Had a true knot in his cord as well as a super long cord….both not ideal. Turning him could have resulted in the knot tightening or him getting wrapped up in the cord. I am so very sorry for this as I know you did not want this….I hope he ( now I think your baby is a boy because just about all breech babies I know are boys)….. Turns on his own.
      Kd

  12. May 20, 2013

    I’m so so sorry that this is turning out to be difficult, on top of everything else. Recovery from a c-section is hard. I was in the hospital for 5 days, and the first week back was kind of iffy. But after that I was physically fine, really. Doing stairs and going on long walks. But who knows.

    Also there is probably still time to flip. I don’t see what is the harm in trying to make it happen. Both of my babies had their heads on my left side – I lay on my left for weeks. I feel like it’s probably not a coincidence. I don’t see why baby flipping wouldn’t at least have a shot at working.

  13. pegara #
    May 20, 2013

    No personal experience but I do know a couple of people who have had luck using chiropractic to get baby to turn. Good luck. Hugs! I hope you don’t have to face the c-sec.

  14. May 20, 2013

    My thoughts go out to you…..totally went through the same emotions. So hard to be faced with a new doc also. Thinking of you andtry not to think of those who you doubted you.

  15. May 20, 2013

    First, to echo the others, lots and lots of babies turn right up to 40 weeks. Don’t give up hope yet for the birth you’ve planned. Acupuncture etc sounds like good proactive steps.

    Second, as someone who desperately wanted a natural birth and ended up with two c-sections, I feel your heartache. Not having the birth you want is a very real loss. I hope maybe having some time to digest the possibility allows you to begin to work through those emotions. This is a nice post about re-conceptualizing what it means to give birth via c-s, if youre interested: http://avital.blogspot.com/2011/01/cesarean-courage.html?m=1

    Third, as someone else said, f**k anyone who would dare give you grief or judge. You do not need that negativity around you right now. (How dare they!)

  16. May 20, 2013

    I agree, it’s a HUGE deal! I have witnessed one to many C-sections and they are no joke. I have heard that acupuncture sometimes works at flipping the babes…hanging upside down? I’ll be hoping that the chicken makes a turn right quick!

  17. May 20, 2013

    Oh, Belle, I’m so sorry for this disappointing news. In my first pregnancy, I was faced with the prospect of a C-section and it crushed me and scared me to death. I’ve also heard that acupuncture can help turn the little babe…maybe that’s something to look into??? C-sections are no joke and I so hope that the little Chicken flips around soon so that you can have the labor and delivery that you want. I’ll be keeping you both in my thoughts!

  18. Amy #
    May 20, 2013

    All births come with risks of complications, all new moms need loads of love & recovery time. All babies make it worth it. You may not get everything the way you think it *should* be, but most don’t. It will still be ok. You will still be happy to be living the life you live & sharing it with your baby. It won’t be easy, but you will still be happy. I’m certain. Babies are really good at reminding us that you just can’t plan everything. The good news is that usually things go better than planned.

  19. May 21, 2013

    This sucks. 😦 I’m so sorry that you’re being faced with this.

    But…as others have said, there’s still time for your little one to turn. Don’t lose all hope yet! Are both your doctors firmly against a breech vaginal delivery? My OB surprised me a couple of weeks ago by saying that she does natural breech deliveries quite often. She said that the outcomes with a vaginal breech delivery aren’t really much different from a head first delivery. But she did also state that she’s not so eager to do them with higher risk patients (such as myself, since I’m of advanced maternal age), so a lot depends on the individual’s circumstances. Still, I don’t see it being completely outside the realm of possibility for you.

    Hang in there. You have a lot of people sending Chicken turning thoughts. Maybe he/she will pick up on it soon!

  20. AJ #
    May 21, 2013

    I’m sorry to hear that chicken is breech. Hang in there. When my induction was failing I was in tears thinking that this is yet another time when my body failed me…and it mattered until the moment the twins were born..then I was just happy and relieved that they arrived safely. There are moments now that I feel a tiny bit sad that I didN’t get to push my babies out but those thoughts are very fleeting. Honestly, if i had to do it again, i would have a section. It was safe and controlled and my lady bits are all together! You have to do what you feel and believe is right and safest for chicken and yourself. Good luck!!

  21. May 21, 2013

    So sorry to hear this news Belle 😦 I firmly believe that women who’ve had fertility struggles all deserve 100% perfect pregnancies and births (and their babies should be breastfeeding naturals and and sleep through the night at 2 weeks old)…but sadly the universe doesn’t always agree 😦 I’ve done some research on breech babies (my twins both flipped to breech position around 24wks) and came across so many stories of babies who flipped well past 34 weeks or of women who had success with acupuncture, chiropractors, ECV or DIY methods. There is still hope and plenty of time!!

    If all else fails, maybe you will find it reassuring to hear that my c-section was not nearly as bad as I’d feared. I was SO dead-set against a C-section that I made my doctor do 2 ultrasounds during my labor because I was just positive that the twins could have flipped during labor (grasping at straws much?). Alas they did not so I had a c-section…and none of my worst fears came true. No complications, no bad side effects from the spinal, no infections, no troubles with my milk supply. And honestly the pain wasn’t even that bad. The afterpains from the uterus contracting were worse than the c-section pain. I was walking (albeit slowly and pretty bent over) within the first day and taking only motrin for pain by Day 5 (granted, I didn’t have babies to care for while recovering, as they were in the NICU, but I was up around the clock pumping). I certainly don’t mean to downplay the difficult experiences others have had and, of course, I still wish I could have had the natural vaginal birth I’d longed for and “studied” so hard for. And a c-section is major surgery any way you slice it (sorry, couldn’t resist!)…but after all you’ve been through to this point, a c-section will be but a blip on the radar once you hold your healthy baby in your arms. I know, I know, that’s SO annoying to hear when you’re pregnant, but it really is true – months and years down the line, when you’re obsessing over sleep schedules and starting solid foods and discipline techniques, your C-section will have become a non-issue.

    AND, one more thought, your doula can probably help you advocate for a more “natural” c-section experience (immediate skin-to-skin, etc.) if you have to go that route. See this link for ideas http://www.mothersofchange.com/2011/12/changing-cesarean-births.html?

    I will be thinking “flippy” thoughts for you & The Chicken.

  22. Mo #
    May 21, 2013

    This sucks. I’m so sorry hon. Hoping chicken turns so it won’t even be an issue. Hugs!

  23. Karaleen #
    May 21, 2013

    Oh Belle. I’m so sorry. It just seems like your desires for pregnancy and birth are met head on every time by opposition from the universe. I went thru IVF, I had two miscarriages, I screamed why me to god and the heavens and then I had a frank breech baby! It just seems that those of us who try so hard are made to really struggle to enjoy it because of all the obstacles! Have your cry and be angry….you deserve that. But please also know that you will get thru this and the reward is well worth it. I had my scheduled csection at 38 weeks….it went perfectly, baby was healthy and I recovered well without a lot of help. I know it is not what you wanted…it is not what I wanted for you. I just want you to know you can still have a magical experience. It will still be the day YOUR baby is born. You will have all your firsts…holding, nursing, bathing just like all the other moms. I will hope and pray that baby does a flip on you…..I know women who had the opposite ( baby flipped from head down to breech DURING labor)…. So it is still possible. Hugs to you.
    Kd

  24. Patricia #
    May 21, 2013

    so sorry to hear this!!! I know how important your labor and delivery plans are for you and your dear Chicken! Please know what whatever may happen birth wise if you need ANY help at all with ANYTHING I’m not that far away and would LOVE to come help you with anything you need prior to moving!!!! Thinking happy, positive, “turning” thoughs for you and Chicken!! 🙂

  25. Beth #
    May 21, 2013

    Long time lurker, first time caller. I just wanted to say that I have SO been where you are. I truly truly hope that baby flips head down, and there is plenty of time yet for that to happen. BUT, if it doesn’t, it will be ok. I was dreading my c-section and the recovery process, but it was not as bad as I was anticipating. After the first 24 hours, I was able to care for the baby and myself. So, I hope you don’t need this advice, but if you get a c-section: take all the pain meds, don’t be a hero and try to wean off of them too soon, get up and moving ASAP after the birth, drink as much water as you can and get one of those velcro belly wraps to support you as you move. Good luck!

  26. May 21, 2013

    it is definitely not too late for Chicken to flip – don’t lose hope! Also, are there other providers in the area who are more breech birth friendly? OBs used to be educated in how to deliver all presentations of babies before ultrasounds were common because babies flip all the time – and more midwives still are, which is why they tend to be more “breech-friendly.” FX for you that Chix flips soon.

  27. May 21, 2013

    Belle. Take a deep breath. Things will happen the way that they should. I understand your apprehension at having a c-section, it was a big fear of mine too because I was already dealing with fibromyalgia when I got pregnant with Sunshine. Although I had family to help, my former husband absolutely refused to help.

    Maybe the Chicken will decide to turn at the last minute, that has happened to several of my friends. What is important right now is relaxing and not putting yourself through too much stress. Don’t worry about what other people say, and if they are doubting you, tell them that their comments are very hurtful and not conducive to the successful hatching of Chicken.

    Good luck, thinking positive thoughts.

  28. May 21, 2013

    My first was frank breech and turned at 38 weeks! It can happen. I did do the spinning babies moves, but not sure if that’s what did it. I ended up having a c-section anyway for other reasons, but Chicken could still turn. I’d be wary of the ECV but that of course is your choice and I wish you the best of luck. I’m recovering from a c-section right now (repeat) and yes, it IS a bitch of a recovery – for me at least.

  29. May 21, 2013

    I know the feeling of being told a c-section is the ‘best’ option. I also learned that these babes are magnificent beings who can trump all odds! Talk to your doula & provider, keep up the acupuncture, & find a good chiropractor. And then… take what peace you can out of knowing your little one is healthy, and in the end he/she will choose the birth experience they need. Sounds frou-frou, but it’s what I believe (and I AM frou-frou- who are we kidding?) Sorry for the disappointing news…. and I sincerely hope that babe listens to Mama and gets himself in position!

  30. May 21, 2013

    Ugh! Belle, I read this last night and I was up at 3am fuming over these people. I just don’t understand why people feel the need to be so unsupportive of others. It’s BS. I think you should feel free to call them out on it if you like, or just ignore them, whichever works better for you, because, really, they are not worth your energy.

    Now…on to your labor. No matter what happens. Your body has been a great home for this little baby. You have provided it with a cozy, nourishing home for 9 months, and that is phenomenal. I think you should take a moment to give you and your body the credit you and it deserve. The 9 months are SO much more important than the last few hours, and no matter what happens with your labor and delivery.

    I had a rather traumatic time (well, especially traumatic for my husband) during our L&D. Four months later it’s mostly a distant memory. I think that it’s really great that you’re preparing to give birth without medical interventions if you can. If it turns out that you can’t, it’s not a reflection on you or your baby, and anyone that suggests otherwise is full of crap.

    Also – feel free to email me if you want to find out more about recovering from a c-section. I wish I’d been a little more proactive in preparing myself for what comes next in case things didn’t go to plan…but it wasn’t nearly as difficult as I would have thought. And you’re in so much better shape than I am! Take care!

  31. May 21, 2013

    I used chiro care to keep my twins head down. I would inquire of your dr how many breech babies he/she has delivered vaginally. Were the breech vaginal births planned or accidental? With my twins, even though they were both head down at delivery I had to be prepared baby B might flip breech after A was born. Therefore, I needed to know that my dr would not C-section the second baby just because breech. These were two of the many questions I asked my dr to ascertain her skill and level of comfort delivering breech babies. Some dr’s have never done it or only by accident in emergency situations and are not comfortable delivering a breech baby. Like the others have said it is still not too late for the little chicken to turn! Here is a link to a blog I follow. She talks all about breech babies and what worked and didn’t work for her in getting her baby to turn. She ended up having a ECV done and details that procedure. http://bravingivf.blogspot.com/2012/11/breech-update.html I thought you might like to read this personal account. I hope your little one turns!!

  32. Arbrefleur #
    May 21, 2013

    First, whoever these people are that are judging you are insane and completely out of their minds. Try to focus on the positive words and people ONLY in your life. Life is too short (and too busy with a baby 😉 ) to not just cut anyone else loose. Second, again Dr. Telemed with doom and gloom – grr!! As you know, plenty of babies turn after 34 weeks. In fact, I heard the best time to try and turn them was between 32 and 36/7 so I don’t know why 34 is too late, but I’m no midwife. I wish this dude didn’t have to be a part of your experience. Really. Third, I am dead terrified of a c-section for many reasons including past traumatic medical events and surgeries (all IF related no less :/ ) so I completely understand your frustration. I really do. I was pleasantly surprised to find this link in one of the comments on here, so I’m relinking it: http://iwantthursdays.blogspot.com/2010/04/april-is-cesaran-awareness-month.html It is the first thing I’ve read that takes the edge off my fear, so I wanted to reiterate the share! Good luck turning Chicken – have fun, you two!

  33. Amy #
    May 21, 2013

    Oh, Belle, I am so sorry for this added worry. I hope that he turns on his own or that the version works, but even more than that I want you to know that we believe in you – you can do this, however it has to be done. It doesn’t have to be done perfectly – there is no such thing. I have a fiery hot ball of hatred in my belly for anyone making you feel otherwise. There is nothing wrong with being unhappy with a C-section, if that is what has to happen, and it sure as fuck doesn’t prove anyone right in their doubting your abilities (ERMAHGERD, FUCK THEM!). I hope that he gets flippy, but please just keep trying to remind yourself that you are fully capable of making it through all of these less than ideal circumstances, as you are in any situation, but especially in this one. Your determination to do everything possible to give Chicken the best start possible matters way more than whether or not it IS possible to have it happen as would be ideal. It sounds dumb to say that it’s the thought that counts when it comes to something like this, but it really, really is. In my book you get just as much credit for wanting a natural birth as for actually having it – because it may be that it’s just not possible, and that is zero reflection on you. It is so shitty that so many things end up beyond our control in this process, and I will try to wrap up this ridiculously rambling comment here: YOU CAN DO IT, Belle, whatever IT ends up having to be. Big hugs……

  34. jak #
    May 21, 2013

    will read the comments later and hope i’m not repeating stuff others have said, but F$%K the doubters. women have been doing this forever and they can do it now, you included. and this means delivering breech even! it can be done.

    1. get a second confirmation on the position. i dont trust dr. telemed and i would thoroughly enjoy punching him in the teeth. he likes to fan fires and stay important and has worse bedside manner than nosferatu.

    2. call your doula pronto. there are still things that can be done. this is actually the ideal time for turning. earlier and they could turn back. have her call her doula friends also just in case they have a better contact with breech turners than your doula does. put feelers out for who is the mac doc/midwife around for turning babies. IT CAN BE DONE. but it is a lost art. i think sometimes EVC in hospital settings is a joke and they dont really try or know how and do it just to say they tried and make you more accepting of the outcome. hooking up with a TRUSTED provider via a doula network who has turned some babies is the way to go. our breech go-to doc in bmore is this guy: http://www.mdmercy.com/hospitalServices/mediaRelations/profiles/atlas.html

    call his office and ask for recommendations in your area!!!!

    3. do inversions, twists, hangs, yoga. see a craniosacral therapist, nat-path, massage therapist, etc. IF #1 shows still breech.

    4. make your plan B a thoughtful and gentle one. write a c-section birth plan. plan the best most baby and mom and professor friendly c-section you possibly can, AND STILL BRING YOUR DOULA. have her give you a foot massage before the procedure. ask for time with her and prof alone before heading to the OR. demand the baby be put on your chest and if that doesnt work, professor should be ready to hold chicken on his chest. limit pain medication other than the epidural. even though you will be numb from ribs down doesnt mean your head has to be numb. you want to remember this even if it’s not your plan A. practice the same relaxation that you would if you were planning a natural birth. it will help you minimize narcotic pain meds needed and help you calm down so that the procedure and recovery go faster.

    5. find support for after the procedure. i supported my mom when she had my (obviously, much younger) sis via c-section. choose someone who you can be yourself around.

    good luck, belle!!!!!! you are in all of our thoughts!!!!!!!

  35. May 21, 2013

    Who on earth is doubting your ability to have a natural birth?? That’s a horrible thing to think, let alone say, directly, to your face… I’m afraid I can’t offer much advice, but I will point out that you still have over a month to go here, and that is plenty of time for Chicken to turn. Also, even if he/she doesn’t and you have to have a C-section, remember that the doctors who perform these are totally competent and despite what The Business of Being Born may suggest, it is indeed much safer to have this procedure than to deliver a breeched baby. Most of the women I know who’ve had C-sections have been healed enough that they can nurse and move around a few days after delivery, and there are many ways to encourage fast healing, even if you have other health issues… in short — deep breaths. You can handle this situation.

    • May 21, 2013

      I just want to add that I agree with this comment – that a C-section for a breech baby is much safer than a vaginal delivery. My sister and I were both breech, and delivered vaginally, and my mom almost died from complications from my sister’s birth (due to the issues with the breech presentation). They finally got my sister out with forceps, and my mom was rushed to the operating room to save her from massive bleeding. When my very compassionate doctor, and one who fully supports the movie mentioned above, said that I needed a c-section for my breech baby, I went with it without too much concern. Yes, I was devastated that I couldn’t deliver naturally, but given family history, given the frank breechness of my baby, given the limited movement we felt from him the entire pregnancy – I just knew that Dr. H was right. And he was (short cord). Also, Matthew was born with possible hip displasia from his breech presentation (one hip socket wasn’t as deep as they wanted it to be), and this required a year of x-rays to monitor his hip development. I cannot imagine how his little hips would have felt had I pushed him out. This is something else I would ask your doctor about – because frank breech babies are at much higher risk for hip displasia. I do wonder if naturally delivering them can aggravate that.

      • jak #
        May 22, 2013

        those delivered by c will also need some help with the hips simply because they have been in that position for X weeks, etc. so something for belle to think about…

        • May 22, 2013

          Yes – if they in fact have hip problems. My son was borderline, so was monitored and x-rayed every 3 months for 18 months. I wasn’t trying to imply that those delivered by a section won’t have issues as my son was one that easily could have been. I just wonder if delivering vaginally could put even more strain on those hips of frank breech babies.

  36. May 21, 2013

    I’m pretty sure my elder kid was breech at about 34 weeks and then back head down by 36 so don’t panic. There is time. That said, hugs that you have another hard thing to go through.

  37. jak #
    May 22, 2013

    i want to add something about cords here. dont freak out about cords, short, or cords around the neck, or knots in the cord or even cord around the neck during vaginal delivery! cords, when attached, are filled with wharton’s jelly, just like your eyes. when you get poked in the eye, or hit with a frisbee or whatever, the eye does not collapse does it? this is because the pressure and protection that the jelly provides. fucking evolution, dude!! the same goes for the cord. the blood vessels in the cord are surrounded by this stuff (it really is a jelly made of structural carbohydrates) and it insulates and supports the vessels to a large extent. sure, during contractions in certain positions, HR can decelerate from the cord being in certain positions during certain contractions that are so strong they really do push against the cord and limit the blood flow, but this is for a very short time and HR should come right back up after the contraction subsides. in which case, trying a new laboring position is a good idea. perhaps my whole rant is off topic here, but i just dont want you to get freaked out about cords generally, whether chicken turns or not. because lots of people pull “cord drama” to explain away things [docs included because they know we think of the baby as choking from the cord, etc when really they arent choking because they arent even using their face to breath yet! they are still using the cord for O2] and it just isnt always a correct explanation;)

  38. May 22, 2013

    So sorry Belle, I have no brilliant advice for you just wanted to say I hope baby flips over the next few weeks!

  39. May 22, 2013

    I think Dr.’s opt for C-Sections a little too easily-especially for women who don’t want them. I was coming out breech and the doctor LITERALLY reached in and flipped me over. It’s one of my mom’s favorite anecdotes. Hoping little chicken turns for you!

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